indie vision music
eah you guys have been on tour for like forever. Congrats on getting as big
as you guys are. You're an amazing band. I am coming to see you with
Hawthorne Heights when you play the Orange County Fair in July! I'm bringing
the family along.
Here is the interview:
An Interview with Stephen Christian of Anberlin:
By Brandon Jones/Indie Vision Music
I first met Stephen back in 2001 when his old band played a Church I was
going to at the time. We hit it off and I was impressed with his humble
demeanor. He is a passionate guy with a lot to say. It's that same passion
that leads him to front one of the most amazing rock bands of today,
Anberlin. With that said, I'll be conducting a little interview here with
the man behind the mic.
Brandon/IVM: So first off, tell me a little bit about yourself. Where you
grew up what your hometown is like. Just the simple essentials.
i consider my hometown st joeseph, michigan. even though i have spent the majority of my years in winter haven, florida my heart is elsewhere.
st joe has such an innocence about it. childhood memories attached. the pier, the beach, the sand dunes, peerless canvas, my grandparents, etc. the fall, leaves burning, a slight chill in the air, that is where the heart is.
Brandon/IVM: You're going to hate me for asking these questions but I'm
going to do it anyway. What recollections do you have of your time with
you old band. Any good or bad things to spill? What have you learned since those
days?
i loved those days. nieve, hopeful, everything was exhilarating. the music was a cross between hotwater music and stevie vai. it was God-awful music. rather embarrassing if you ask me, but we all have to come from somewhere.
those were crimeless moments. it taught me about finding a firm foundation and humility... though that was easy when your as horrid as we were.
Brandon/IVM: Anberlin signed to T&N in 2002 and you released one of the most
incredible debut records I'd heard in a long time. What was that debut like
for you to accomplish? Any comments?
truly an acomplishent. we had no idea what we were getting into. we had walked into the studio with only 10 songs. we had no more no less. and even one of those was not ours. aaron taught us a lot (the producer) about the industry ins and outs. which ended up to be more impactful than his production.
Brandon/IVM: How has your relationship with T&N been? Have they treated you
well? Are you pleased with your current position?
i am sure that there are good and bad things about every record label. working with tooth and nail has been brilliant. i have made some invaluable friendships* that will far outlast this band.
the disadvantage of any indie is that they do not have the money to throw at clear channel or mtv to make the band happen (whether the band has talent or not.) the positive to indie labels is that they have the heart and soul. if you eat, they eat. they are along side you through the good or bad.
major labels have the money. but if your not putting up the numbers they want they have no passion or vision for your band. so which is more important... money or passion; and that's how we made our decision. there is a light that never goes out.
*one side note: another negative attribute to an indie label is that there is a lot of idle chatter, rumors, and talking behind peoples back that happens @ smaller labels. ours is no exception. sometimes it feels more like a high school than a label.
Brandon/IVM: Never Take Friendship Personal was a natural progression from
Blueprints for the Blackmarket, what is your take on the subtle differences
between records? How have you guys improved?
i think when you tour 10.5 months a year it is inevitable that you are going to put on a better and better show. with that much touring you also learn your instrument exceedingly so. i think walking into the studio the second time we had obtained one major thing that is clearly lacking on our first record. confidence.
we knew who we were and what we were setting out to achieve. aaron manipulated our sound on the first record and on the second record he was much more hands off.
we grew as people, had seen more places, experienced more failures and more success’s. life had been good to us, i had a lot to draw from. i think this third album may be our pinnacle record. it’s who we always knew we had inside us, it just took us 2 records of experimentation to finally get it down on paper and eventually record.
Brandon/IVM: What was the recording process like the second time around?
for drums nate was comfortable. he had turned from a prodigy to a professional in the matter of one album. deon experimented more with playing on his own then following the lowest note of the guitar. me and joey pretty much did our own production. aaron was absent for a good majority of my vocals. but it turned out great. it pushed me to do it on my own, get better at my weakness’s instead of relying on aaron to come up with something. i want to continue that on this next record and do the vocal production completely by myself... since ‘friendship’ was pretty much just that.
Brandon/IVM: You've dropped small hints of a future writing session for the
new record. When shall we expect to see Anberlin in the studio again? Will
an album drop this year?
we are going to end our canadian run in seattle @ the end of july and that is where we will begin this next project. we will be in the studio for about 6 weeks which will take us well into august.
we are not sure when the album will drop but it will probably fall somewhere between dec.-feb.
Brandon/IVM: How do you feel about a major label? Do you seen Anberlin
moving in that direction any time soon? Any comments on the matter?
i want to go where my heart leads. tooth and nail is bending backwards for us right now. if this continues and they and us feel that working together would be in both our best interest then we would love to stick around. underoath just resigned to tooth. it was incredibly smart. they knew that tooth could push them to the level exactly where they needed to be. if we feel the same we will stay as well.
honestly as of late i have been reclusing from the the idea of business and fame so i let our mngt, handle all that stuff. i just want to write music.
Brandon/IVM: Switching gears here for a second....
You're a Christian playing in a rock band. How do you feel your role (and
purpose) as a Christian is affected by rock n' roll. What place does
Christianity play in the making of music?
my purpose as a human is to love the Lord my God with all my heart, soul, and mind. my purpose as a musician it is to make the best possible music and entertainment for the listener. the amalgamation of the two is the controversy. we seem to be too Christian for the general market and not Christian enough for the christians. conundrum.
the other day a youth pastor wrote me how he felt we “wasted an opportunity to preach @ our sold out house of blues show, though (he) can see Christ in our actions, lyrics, and lifestyle.”
i asked him “if you saw Christ in our actions, lyrics, and lifestyle did we not preach?”
the thing is people bring into the music an expectation, if we do not fill that than we are not following Christ as they see fit.
the summation of my argument is thus...
i have an audience of One.
one day i will have to stand in front of that audience of One and keep an account of every action, word, (or lack of actions or words) when i die.
i am not called to be an evangelist, pastor, or teacher @ this stage in my life. right now i am called to a band called anberlin. if God does call me to that in the future i am sure he will let me know through other ways than a youth pastor writing me on myspace.
i hope this does not come off bitter. i am not bitter at all, just stating an ongoing explanation of particular actions.
I write my songs based on personal experience, the overflow of the heart so the mouth speaks. God is intwined with my life in every facet. and those facets of my life He is not intwined with i wish he would rid me of. so it is natural for God to appear in so many of my songs, whether ambiguous, in spirit, or by name.
i have NEVER sat down and said,”how can i make my religion apart of this song... how can i market my faith so i can break in the christian charts. “
for those who market Christ as a product, there is a special place in hell for them. Christ can not be bought and sold. people taint something so sacred and beautiful and holy with a price tag.
i am sure that there are a lot of good souls (as starsailor would say) in the Christian music business (jeremy camp being one) but as a whole, my God in heaven, i believe that if Christ were to walk through their temple (gma) that there would be whips and tables flying in every direction.
conundrum. me. the first part of this question i was asking people not to judge my actions, and here i am judging others. oh well.
there is my humanity coming out.
Brandon/IVM: Your band is openly embraced by Christians worldwide. How do
you feel about this acceptance and what would you say to your Christian
fans?
i do not distinguish between listeners really. i would that the entire world, no matter what race, creed, religion, or sexual orientation, could listen and appreciate anberlin.
but i do understand that many of you reading this are Christians so let me direct my attention briefly on those with similar faith.
do not forget that you are a wretch.
let me explain.
in the hymn, amazing grace, we sing ‘amazing grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me.’ what (christians) forget is that we are still the wretch and the only thing that separates us from others that pass in and out of our lives each day is grace.
somewhere along the line we thought this priceless grace was owed to us. we feel in some way that this grace puts us above others. we are better than the homosexual or the prostitute. you are not. our righteousness is as filthy rags. our good deeds or paying tithe don’t mean shit. as soon as you believe that you some how have earned this, or worked hard enough for this grace, you have lost the point entirely.
it is not by works that you are saved...lest any man should boast.
realize that we are still that wretch, and you should treat those around you as above you.
the more i sin, the more i fail, the deeper within my selfish nature i give into, the more i empathize with the prostitute who washed Christ's feet with the expensive perfume. i have that whore. i am that homosexual. i am that beggar. i am the widow and orphan.
you are that whore. homosexual. begger. widow and orphan.
when you forget that, you are no better than the Pharisees and saducees that Christ himself rebuked repeatedly.
grace. it is for everyone. act like it.
Brandon/IVM: What purpose do you feel we as Christians should fill for those
of us working in the music market?
i believe that a great example of this is my dear friend Chad Johnson that works with tooth and nail records. he has one hand in the workplace and one hand working for furtherance of his faith. yet his hands are connected onto the same body.
and that's how we should be. just because we are followers of The Way does not mean that we can not be connected to the world and its happenings. we can not be nieve to what is happening around us. (james 1:27 says ‘unspotted’ but there is a difference between connected and unspotted)
to a jew we become a jew, to the greek a greek, i become all things to all people that i may help others find what i have found (paraphrase to keep the christian -ese to a minimal).
we need to set the example and the bar. we need to be the hardest working and complain the least. we need to bring hope in a very dark industry. we need to show the love and grace that was extended to us to those who view ‘sex, drugs, and rock and roll’ as a requirement on the job application. we need to set our self's apart and not above. im going to write that again. we need to set our self's apart and not above.
*thanks chad for being a wonderful example
Brandon/IVM: How has your faith affected your presence on tour and on stage
as a performer. What is like going out on tour with big time rock bands and
still holding on to your faith, sharing with others around you?
this a tricky question because i am not here to pat myself on the back by running down the list of who’s, and where’s, and how’s . so i will say this;
i try my best to preach the gospel at all times and when necessary using words.
as far as those of you who are pursuing music as a career and will one day go out with general market bands: know what you believe, know why you believe. concentrate on a strong foundation between you and God.
that is what is going to keep the momentum of faith pushing you through the hardest and most temptation filled moments of this business.
Brandon/IVM: How do you feel about Christian individuals who choose to share
their Faith through the music they compose. If we are to encourage freedom
of expression and thought, should Christian artistry be accepted? Do you
feel there is a certain level of intolerance in the music scene at large for
Christian Artists?
honestly christian music as a whole isn’t that good. its not that the ‘outside’ world is intolerant its that christian music is not talented in the least. we follow whatever the rest of the world is doing, but about five years to late. if they have a boy band... we will start a boy band a couple years later. ‘they’ have a creed band, well we will start one. for God being the creative force perpetuating this universe we sure are unoriginal!
christians who do come up with something new and are TALENTED still shine in the general market regardless of belief system. look at underoath, zao, mae, further, juliana, etc. there was even keith green who jimmy hendrix upon winning most talented guitarist award could not accept it in good conscience because keith green was obviously better.
i think the christian church stifles creativity. we have labeled art and the arts and psuedo-homosexual so pastors/priests shy away. which is ridiculous. david danced naked before the alter, but if someone wanted to simply show God how in love with him they were by dancing (fully clothed) they would be excommunicated. paul shaved his head as a vow to God, but if we have a tattoo with the same meaning we are ostracized.
in other words there needs to be a revolution of creativity in the church and maybe in a couple of generations we wont be copies* of everything we see in the music industry, but leaders paving the way in experimentation.
*side note. this is complete proof of our ‘copy’ mentality. if you go to a “christian bookstore” they have lists of which christian bands sound like what “secular” bands. sad. but true.
Brandon/IVM: What are your thoughts on young bands of Christians wanting to
play both markets just out of their love for their Faith? I know we can get
a bit jaded with age but some of the young at heart are really passionate
about their newfound faith. What is your opinion on the matter?
purity of heart. if you really want to play both markets for love of their faith than pursue it. but maintain the purity of heart not just today, but in five years from now. there is a lot of money in the Christian music business right now (it is the fastest growing segment of the music industry currently) but don’t sell out.
but here is my enigma... if you are sold out to your faith why are you playing the Christian market at all? does that make you a better Christian by playing Jam for the Lamb fest ‘07?
actually i think if you want to be truly sold out for Christ than be the doctor to those who are not well. did not Christ say “go into all the world and preach the gospel”? then why are you playing first assembly of Christ in God’s youth group? you should be playing the bar down the street. sure i there is need of edification of the Church, but edify it then get out!
for some reason we feel if one is sold out to Christ then they are a christian band and travel with only other christian bands and sign on to victory in Jesus record label.
how horribly warped.
but this is what it breaks down to... go where the peace is. trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto your own understanding. in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your path.
Brandon/IVM: I'm not big on the Nashville Christian Music meat Market but how do
you feel about the independent Christian scene or artists who are Christians
making music directed at the entire world rather than a sub genre culture?
good for them.
Brandon/IVM: What are your thoughts on social and world issues? Any certain
issue that touches your heart and tugs on your soul that you'd like to touch
on? What are you most passionate about?
right now i am really reverting back to james 1:27. pure religion. i leave in one week to haiti for two weeks where i will help build an orphanage in a remote part of the country. i want to begin to get out of this country at least twice a year from here out to help those in need.
but as far as causes i am impassioned about world vision is an amazing org that anberlin has been working with for some time. invisible children has really touched me, if i could help them more i would. mercy ships is phenomenal. but the most moving thing as of late has been the killing and genocide that is happening right now in defar. it hurts. i feel so powerless in the situation. i never wanted Rwanda (hutu and tutsi) to happen again and it is happening and i can’t do anything about it.
my hopes would be that everyone helps in whatever capacity to make this world a better place.
“become the change you wish to see in the world”
-ghandi
Brandon/IVM: Okay enough of these questions, on to the fun stuff (and sorry
for twisting your mind for a moment ;)
Brandon/IVM: We now know that the great and wonderful Stephen Christian has
a side project called the Stephen Christian Side Show Circus. Want to
elaborate (kidding)?
wow is that the name of it? hahaha great. well there it is ladies and gentlemen.
no i am not sure the name of it just yet. but there is one song that aaron marsh (copeland) and myself have worked on up on stephenchristian.us . *it is not mixed or mastered, but you get the direction. i am really really excited. it is just another outlet. it doesn't have the energy that anberlin has but i believe its more ardent and apparent.
Brandon/IVM: You're recording your solo (or have recorded) stuff soon, how
has that process evolved? What's it been like going out on your own?
i love being on my own in the writing process. it has expanded my horizons and taught me how to be a better song writer, i also play a lot of piano and guitar on this project, something i have played around with but not had much chance until now to do.
i have no idea what its going to do, or even where its going to come out. but i don’t care. its one of those things in life i just wanted to accomplish. so even if no one else hears it or likes it, i will have the sense of accomplishment.
Brandon/IVM: About how many songs do you have prepared for the record? Who
is recording with you (on instruments)? Will you tour solo?
piano/guitars/vocals- myself
piano/guitars/production- aaron marsh (copeland)
drums-john bucklew (copeland)
bass- louis d. (gasoline heart/the kick)
vocals- ana becker
violins- racheal p.
etc.
we have about 4 songs done. 3 unfinished and 4 that still need to be recorded.
i would love to tour on it but right now anberlin is on tour about ten months a year. which leaves little time to expand my side project.
Brandon/IVM: Please don't tell me that Anberlin will break up anytime soon?
no way. that won’t happen. anberlin is my priority.
Brandon/IVM: What label is planning on releasing your solo record and when
can we expect it to street?
i have no idea. i would love something like burnt toast or secretly canadian, because i want this record to be more like art than a capitalistic venture.
Brandon/IVM: What is rockin' your stereo lately? Any new bands that you're
into?
wow.
this could be a long one.
just went to an OURS show last night. it was a spiritual experience. i felt closer to God than any church service i had been to in some time. im really in to blues lately. buddy guy, muddy waters, johnson, etc. im in a state of musical reclusion. we are about to record so i try to steer away from anything that might influence a melody/vocal/lyric line.
so jazz/classical/ or blues are apart of the purification process.
Brandon/IVM: What bands have been most enjoyable to tour with?
all.
i cant think of one tour i regret. well one. but still.
everything is a learning process. we are about to go out with jonzetta again. they are a new band on tooth and nail and are a lot of fun to hang out with.
after that we are out with the most relaxed guys in the business. hawthorne heights. then out in canada with the most adhd people in the business story of the year. so its going to be an interesting couple of months.
Brandon/IVM: Have you ever considered guest spotting on one of your favorite
band's records? Has anyone asked you to lend your vocals to a track or two?
i would love it. not a lot of people ask. though i did sing on a band that i produced record. they are called the vow and everyone should check them out @ myspace.com/thevow.
Brandon/IVM: Who do you think will produce the next Anberlin record? Any
dream production jobs you'd most desire?
aaron sprinkle will be recording the next record.
i am not big into producers, so as long as it sounds good i don’t care. the rest of the guys are all into that stuff. they have the stronger opinions when it comes to recording.
Brandon/IVM: What can we expect out of Anberlin in the next two years? Any
big changes? Any chance for a cover article in a major music mag?
next two years.
haiti in may.
headlining 2 weeks june.
hawthorne 2 weeks june/july
story of the year 2 weeks in july
recording august/sept
japan oct.
and that's as far as i know.
as far as me personally i would really like to get my solo record out and my book published.
Brandon/IVM: Congrats on the recent radio play your single has been
garnering. That's a huge feat in today's clouded music climate. Is the
single on the rise, are more stations playing it? Any chance for KROQ here
in Los Angeles to play the tune? I haven't heard it yet but I've sure
requested it.
i am not sure about kroq. they are the top of the top. they can pick and choose anyone they want. they have been out to a couple shows, but still no word on them. i hope one day.
yea the radio has been quite a success for us. it is cool to see people in the crowd that look like they should be at a tool or marliyn manson show singing along.
Brandon/IVM: What has your hometown reception been like to your music? What
is the crowd situation like? Are a lot of people showing up?
it has been great. this was our first time playing house of blues orlando (about a week ago) and it was sold out! it was amazing. the best part of the entire night was just the smile on my families face. everything else was extra curricular.
Brandon/IVM: Favorite food?
mexican and Italian
Brandon/IVM: What was the last great film you viewed?
eternal sunshine for the spotless mind.
i know its older but i just watched it again the other night.
Brandon/IVM: How do you feel about Disneyland in your backyard? Ha.
overrated.
Brandon/IVM: Is it true they almost own an entire city in Orlando?
yep. and then some!
Brandon/IVM: Do you guys have side jobs when you're not on tour? If so,
where do you work and how is it?
i used to, but we tour way to much for any employer to give us a job. but the last job i held was substitute teacher for the polk county school system. my favorite was teaching 4th grade. old enough to spell their name, young enough where they haven’t hit puberty.
Brandon/IVM: Last great book you read? What are your favorite mags to read?
i read like i am about to go blind.
i am currently reading ‘knowledge of the holy’ by a.w. tozer. it is mind altering. he is my new blaise pascal.
11 minutes by Paulo Coelho (not for the faint hearted)
freakenomics- a economists perspective on sociology
and tipping point- marketing book
lovely bones* don't read it. its really boring. drags on forever.
that has all been on this past tour.
but it is either read or play video games. so obviously i am no good at halo.
Brandon/IVM: Do you read Relevant, what do you think of it? I love the mag,
they have some great articles and I am a proud subscriber.
i think its great. i called them when they came out with their first issue and said “its about time!”
Brandon/IVM: Do you ever read HM?
no.
Brandon/IVM: Dude, I am out of questions. Seriously, I have nothing left to
say and I'm staring at my ceiling right now drooling for some odd reason.
Uh. Yeah.
good because my fingers are plotting a mutiny that was so many questions. but its you brandon. so i’d do it again.
Brandon/IVM: Any parting words? Any prayer requests for us readers and fans
of your band. How can we best support you guys when you're out there working
hard? I'll be praying for you guys for sure. Anyway, take care and best of
luck to your future and all that God has in store for you guys. Peace.
i think i have said quite enough. maybe too much.
prayer requests.
direction. focus. that we may become men of integrity.
safety in our travels.
until we meet again,
stephen christian
Brandon, Indie Vision Music
as you guys are. You're an amazing band. I am coming to see you with
Hawthorne Heights when you play the Orange County Fair in July! I'm bringing
the family along.
Here is the interview:
An Interview with Stephen Christian of Anberlin:
By Brandon Jones/Indie Vision Music
I first met Stephen back in 2001 when his old band played a Church I was
going to at the time. We hit it off and I was impressed with his humble
demeanor. He is a passionate guy with a lot to say. It's that same passion
that leads him to front one of the most amazing rock bands of today,
Anberlin. With that said, I'll be conducting a little interview here with
the man behind the mic.
Brandon/IVM: So first off, tell me a little bit about yourself. Where you
grew up what your hometown is like. Just the simple essentials.
i consider my hometown st joeseph, michigan. even though i have spent the majority of my years in winter haven, florida my heart is elsewhere.
st joe has such an innocence about it. childhood memories attached. the pier, the beach, the sand dunes, peerless canvas, my grandparents, etc. the fall, leaves burning, a slight chill in the air, that is where the heart is.
Brandon/IVM: You're going to hate me for asking these questions but I'm
going to do it anyway. What recollections do you have of your time with
you old band. Any good or bad things to spill? What have you learned since those
days?
i loved those days. nieve, hopeful, everything was exhilarating. the music was a cross between hotwater music and stevie vai. it was God-awful music. rather embarrassing if you ask me, but we all have to come from somewhere.
those were crimeless moments. it taught me about finding a firm foundation and humility... though that was easy when your as horrid as we were.
Brandon/IVM: Anberlin signed to T&N in 2002 and you released one of the most
incredible debut records I'd heard in a long time. What was that debut like
for you to accomplish? Any comments?
truly an acomplishent. we had no idea what we were getting into. we had walked into the studio with only 10 songs. we had no more no less. and even one of those was not ours. aaron taught us a lot (the producer) about the industry ins and outs. which ended up to be more impactful than his production.
Brandon/IVM: How has your relationship with T&N been? Have they treated you
well? Are you pleased with your current position?
i am sure that there are good and bad things about every record label. working with tooth and nail has been brilliant. i have made some invaluable friendships* that will far outlast this band.
the disadvantage of any indie is that they do not have the money to throw at clear channel or mtv to make the band happen (whether the band has talent or not.) the positive to indie labels is that they have the heart and soul. if you eat, they eat. they are along side you through the good or bad.
major labels have the money. but if your not putting up the numbers they want they have no passion or vision for your band. so which is more important... money or passion; and that's how we made our decision. there is a light that never goes out.
*one side note: another negative attribute to an indie label is that there is a lot of idle chatter, rumors, and talking behind peoples back that happens @ smaller labels. ours is no exception. sometimes it feels more like a high school than a label.
Brandon/IVM: Never Take Friendship Personal was a natural progression from
Blueprints for the Blackmarket, what is your take on the subtle differences
between records? How have you guys improved?
i think when you tour 10.5 months a year it is inevitable that you are going to put on a better and better show. with that much touring you also learn your instrument exceedingly so. i think walking into the studio the second time we had obtained one major thing that is clearly lacking on our first record. confidence.
we knew who we were and what we were setting out to achieve. aaron manipulated our sound on the first record and on the second record he was much more hands off.
we grew as people, had seen more places, experienced more failures and more success’s. life had been good to us, i had a lot to draw from. i think this third album may be our pinnacle record. it’s who we always knew we had inside us, it just took us 2 records of experimentation to finally get it down on paper and eventually record.
Brandon/IVM: What was the recording process like the second time around?
for drums nate was comfortable. he had turned from a prodigy to a professional in the matter of one album. deon experimented more with playing on his own then following the lowest note of the guitar. me and joey pretty much did our own production. aaron was absent for a good majority of my vocals. but it turned out great. it pushed me to do it on my own, get better at my weakness’s instead of relying on aaron to come up with something. i want to continue that on this next record and do the vocal production completely by myself... since ‘friendship’ was pretty much just that.
Brandon/IVM: You've dropped small hints of a future writing session for the
new record. When shall we expect to see Anberlin in the studio again? Will
an album drop this year?
we are going to end our canadian run in seattle @ the end of july and that is where we will begin this next project. we will be in the studio for about 6 weeks which will take us well into august.
we are not sure when the album will drop but it will probably fall somewhere between dec.-feb.
Brandon/IVM: How do you feel about a major label? Do you seen Anberlin
moving in that direction any time soon? Any comments on the matter?
i want to go where my heart leads. tooth and nail is bending backwards for us right now. if this continues and they and us feel that working together would be in both our best interest then we would love to stick around. underoath just resigned to tooth. it was incredibly smart. they knew that tooth could push them to the level exactly where they needed to be. if we feel the same we will stay as well.
honestly as of late i have been reclusing from the the idea of business and fame so i let our mngt, handle all that stuff. i just want to write music.
Brandon/IVM: Switching gears here for a second....
You're a Christian playing in a rock band. How do you feel your role (and
purpose) as a Christian is affected by rock n' roll. What place does
Christianity play in the making of music?
my purpose as a human is to love the Lord my God with all my heart, soul, and mind. my purpose as a musician it is to make the best possible music and entertainment for the listener. the amalgamation of the two is the controversy. we seem to be too Christian for the general market and not Christian enough for the christians. conundrum.
the other day a youth pastor wrote me how he felt we “wasted an opportunity to preach @ our sold out house of blues show, though (he) can see Christ in our actions, lyrics, and lifestyle.”
i asked him “if you saw Christ in our actions, lyrics, and lifestyle did we not preach?”
the thing is people bring into the music an expectation, if we do not fill that than we are not following Christ as they see fit.
the summation of my argument is thus...
i have an audience of One.
one day i will have to stand in front of that audience of One and keep an account of every action, word, (or lack of actions or words) when i die.
i am not called to be an evangelist, pastor, or teacher @ this stage in my life. right now i am called to a band called anberlin. if God does call me to that in the future i am sure he will let me know through other ways than a youth pastor writing me on myspace.
i hope this does not come off bitter. i am not bitter at all, just stating an ongoing explanation of particular actions.
I write my songs based on personal experience, the overflow of the heart so the mouth speaks. God is intwined with my life in every facet. and those facets of my life He is not intwined with i wish he would rid me of. so it is natural for God to appear in so many of my songs, whether ambiguous, in spirit, or by name.
i have NEVER sat down and said,”how can i make my religion apart of this song... how can i market my faith so i can break in the christian charts. “
for those who market Christ as a product, there is a special place in hell for them. Christ can not be bought and sold. people taint something so sacred and beautiful and holy with a price tag.
i am sure that there are a lot of good souls (as starsailor would say) in the Christian music business (jeremy camp being one) but as a whole, my God in heaven, i believe that if Christ were to walk through their temple (gma) that there would be whips and tables flying in every direction.
conundrum. me. the first part of this question i was asking people not to judge my actions, and here i am judging others. oh well.
there is my humanity coming out.
Brandon/IVM: Your band is openly embraced by Christians worldwide. How do
you feel about this acceptance and what would you say to your Christian
fans?
i do not distinguish between listeners really. i would that the entire world, no matter what race, creed, religion, or sexual orientation, could listen and appreciate anberlin.
but i do understand that many of you reading this are Christians so let me direct my attention briefly on those with similar faith.
do not forget that you are a wretch.
let me explain.
in the hymn, amazing grace, we sing ‘amazing grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me.’ what (christians) forget is that we are still the wretch and the only thing that separates us from others that pass in and out of our lives each day is grace.
somewhere along the line we thought this priceless grace was owed to us. we feel in some way that this grace puts us above others. we are better than the homosexual or the prostitute. you are not. our righteousness is as filthy rags. our good deeds or paying tithe don’t mean shit. as soon as you believe that you some how have earned this, or worked hard enough for this grace, you have lost the point entirely.
it is not by works that you are saved...lest any man should boast.
realize that we are still that wretch, and you should treat those around you as above you.
the more i sin, the more i fail, the deeper within my selfish nature i give into, the more i empathize with the prostitute who washed Christ's feet with the expensive perfume. i have that whore. i am that homosexual. i am that beggar. i am the widow and orphan.
you are that whore. homosexual. begger. widow and orphan.
when you forget that, you are no better than the Pharisees and saducees that Christ himself rebuked repeatedly.
grace. it is for everyone. act like it.
Brandon/IVM: What purpose do you feel we as Christians should fill for those
of us working in the music market?
i believe that a great example of this is my dear friend Chad Johnson that works with tooth and nail records. he has one hand in the workplace and one hand working for furtherance of his faith. yet his hands are connected onto the same body.
and that's how we should be. just because we are followers of The Way does not mean that we can not be connected to the world and its happenings. we can not be nieve to what is happening around us. (james 1:27 says ‘unspotted’ but there is a difference between connected and unspotted)
to a jew we become a jew, to the greek a greek, i become all things to all people that i may help others find what i have found (paraphrase to keep the christian -ese to a minimal).
we need to set the example and the bar. we need to be the hardest working and complain the least. we need to bring hope in a very dark industry. we need to show the love and grace that was extended to us to those who view ‘sex, drugs, and rock and roll’ as a requirement on the job application. we need to set our self's apart and not above. im going to write that again. we need to set our self's apart and not above.
*thanks chad for being a wonderful example
Brandon/IVM: How has your faith affected your presence on tour and on stage
as a performer. What is like going out on tour with big time rock bands and
still holding on to your faith, sharing with others around you?
this a tricky question because i am not here to pat myself on the back by running down the list of who’s, and where’s, and how’s . so i will say this;
i try my best to preach the gospel at all times and when necessary using words.
as far as those of you who are pursuing music as a career and will one day go out with general market bands: know what you believe, know why you believe. concentrate on a strong foundation between you and God.
that is what is going to keep the momentum of faith pushing you through the hardest and most temptation filled moments of this business.
Brandon/IVM: How do you feel about Christian individuals who choose to share
their Faith through the music they compose. If we are to encourage freedom
of expression and thought, should Christian artistry be accepted? Do you
feel there is a certain level of intolerance in the music scene at large for
Christian Artists?
honestly christian music as a whole isn’t that good. its not that the ‘outside’ world is intolerant its that christian music is not talented in the least. we follow whatever the rest of the world is doing, but about five years to late. if they have a boy band... we will start a boy band a couple years later. ‘they’ have a creed band, well we will start one. for God being the creative force perpetuating this universe we sure are unoriginal!
christians who do come up with something new and are TALENTED still shine in the general market regardless of belief system. look at underoath, zao, mae, further, juliana, etc. there was even keith green who jimmy hendrix upon winning most talented guitarist award could not accept it in good conscience because keith green was obviously better.
i think the christian church stifles creativity. we have labeled art and the arts and psuedo-homosexual so pastors/priests shy away. which is ridiculous. david danced naked before the alter, but if someone wanted to simply show God how in love with him they were by dancing (fully clothed) they would be excommunicated. paul shaved his head as a vow to God, but if we have a tattoo with the same meaning we are ostracized.
in other words there needs to be a revolution of creativity in the church and maybe in a couple of generations we wont be copies* of everything we see in the music industry, but leaders paving the way in experimentation.
*side note. this is complete proof of our ‘copy’ mentality. if you go to a “christian bookstore” they have lists of which christian bands sound like what “secular” bands. sad. but true.
Brandon/IVM: What are your thoughts on young bands of Christians wanting to
play both markets just out of their love for their Faith? I know we can get
a bit jaded with age but some of the young at heart are really passionate
about their newfound faith. What is your opinion on the matter?
purity of heart. if you really want to play both markets for love of their faith than pursue it. but maintain the purity of heart not just today, but in five years from now. there is a lot of money in the Christian music business right now (it is the fastest growing segment of the music industry currently) but don’t sell out.
but here is my enigma... if you are sold out to your faith why are you playing the Christian market at all? does that make you a better Christian by playing Jam for the Lamb fest ‘07?
actually i think if you want to be truly sold out for Christ than be the doctor to those who are not well. did not Christ say “go into all the world and preach the gospel”? then why are you playing first assembly of Christ in God’s youth group? you should be playing the bar down the street. sure i there is need of edification of the Church, but edify it then get out!
for some reason we feel if one is sold out to Christ then they are a christian band and travel with only other christian bands and sign on to victory in Jesus record label.
how horribly warped.
but this is what it breaks down to... go where the peace is. trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not unto your own understanding. in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your path.
Brandon/IVM: I'm not big on the Nashville Christian Music meat Market but how do
you feel about the independent Christian scene or artists who are Christians
making music directed at the entire world rather than a sub genre culture?
good for them.
Brandon/IVM: What are your thoughts on social and world issues? Any certain
issue that touches your heart and tugs on your soul that you'd like to touch
on? What are you most passionate about?
right now i am really reverting back to james 1:27. pure religion. i leave in one week to haiti for two weeks where i will help build an orphanage in a remote part of the country. i want to begin to get out of this country at least twice a year from here out to help those in need.
but as far as causes i am impassioned about world vision is an amazing org that anberlin has been working with for some time. invisible children has really touched me, if i could help them more i would. mercy ships is phenomenal. but the most moving thing as of late has been the killing and genocide that is happening right now in defar. it hurts. i feel so powerless in the situation. i never wanted Rwanda (hutu and tutsi) to happen again and it is happening and i can’t do anything about it.
my hopes would be that everyone helps in whatever capacity to make this world a better place.
“become the change you wish to see in the world”
-ghandi
Brandon/IVM: Okay enough of these questions, on to the fun stuff (and sorry
for twisting your mind for a moment ;)
Brandon/IVM: We now know that the great and wonderful Stephen Christian has
a side project called the Stephen Christian Side Show Circus. Want to
elaborate (kidding)?
wow is that the name of it? hahaha great. well there it is ladies and gentlemen.
no i am not sure the name of it just yet. but there is one song that aaron marsh (copeland) and myself have worked on up on stephenchristian.us . *it is not mixed or mastered, but you get the direction. i am really really excited. it is just another outlet. it doesn't have the energy that anberlin has but i believe its more ardent and apparent.
Brandon/IVM: You're recording your solo (or have recorded) stuff soon, how
has that process evolved? What's it been like going out on your own?
i love being on my own in the writing process. it has expanded my horizons and taught me how to be a better song writer, i also play a lot of piano and guitar on this project, something i have played around with but not had much chance until now to do.
i have no idea what its going to do, or even where its going to come out. but i don’t care. its one of those things in life i just wanted to accomplish. so even if no one else hears it or likes it, i will have the sense of accomplishment.
Brandon/IVM: About how many songs do you have prepared for the record? Who
is recording with you (on instruments)? Will you tour solo?
piano/guitars/vocals- myself
piano/guitars/production- aaron marsh (copeland)
drums-john bucklew (copeland)
bass- louis d. (gasoline heart/the kick)
vocals- ana becker
violins- racheal p.
etc.
we have about 4 songs done. 3 unfinished and 4 that still need to be recorded.
i would love to tour on it but right now anberlin is on tour about ten months a year. which leaves little time to expand my side project.
Brandon/IVM: Please don't tell me that Anberlin will break up anytime soon?
no way. that won’t happen. anberlin is my priority.
Brandon/IVM: What label is planning on releasing your solo record and when
can we expect it to street?
i have no idea. i would love something like burnt toast or secretly canadian, because i want this record to be more like art than a capitalistic venture.
Brandon/IVM: What is rockin' your stereo lately? Any new bands that you're
into?
wow.
this could be a long one.
just went to an OURS show last night. it was a spiritual experience. i felt closer to God than any church service i had been to in some time. im really in to blues lately. buddy guy, muddy waters, johnson, etc. im in a state of musical reclusion. we are about to record so i try to steer away from anything that might influence a melody/vocal/lyric line.
so jazz/classical/ or blues are apart of the purification process.
Brandon/IVM: What bands have been most enjoyable to tour with?
all.
i cant think of one tour i regret. well one. but still.
everything is a learning process. we are about to go out with jonzetta again. they are a new band on tooth and nail and are a lot of fun to hang out with.
after that we are out with the most relaxed guys in the business. hawthorne heights. then out in canada with the most adhd people in the business story of the year. so its going to be an interesting couple of months.
Brandon/IVM: Have you ever considered guest spotting on one of your favorite
band's records? Has anyone asked you to lend your vocals to a track or two?
i would love it. not a lot of people ask. though i did sing on a band that i produced record. they are called the vow and everyone should check them out @ myspace.com/thevow.
Brandon/IVM: Who do you think will produce the next Anberlin record? Any
dream production jobs you'd most desire?
aaron sprinkle will be recording the next record.
i am not big into producers, so as long as it sounds good i don’t care. the rest of the guys are all into that stuff. they have the stronger opinions when it comes to recording.
Brandon/IVM: What can we expect out of Anberlin in the next two years? Any
big changes? Any chance for a cover article in a major music mag?
next two years.
haiti in may.
headlining 2 weeks june.
hawthorne 2 weeks june/july
story of the year 2 weeks in july
recording august/sept
japan oct.
and that's as far as i know.
as far as me personally i would really like to get my solo record out and my book published.
Brandon/IVM: Congrats on the recent radio play your single has been
garnering. That's a huge feat in today's clouded music climate. Is the
single on the rise, are more stations playing it? Any chance for KROQ here
in Los Angeles to play the tune? I haven't heard it yet but I've sure
requested it.
i am not sure about kroq. they are the top of the top. they can pick and choose anyone they want. they have been out to a couple shows, but still no word on them. i hope one day.
yea the radio has been quite a success for us. it is cool to see people in the crowd that look like they should be at a tool or marliyn manson show singing along.
Brandon/IVM: What has your hometown reception been like to your music? What
is the crowd situation like? Are a lot of people showing up?
it has been great. this was our first time playing house of blues orlando (about a week ago) and it was sold out! it was amazing. the best part of the entire night was just the smile on my families face. everything else was extra curricular.
Brandon/IVM: Favorite food?
mexican and Italian
Brandon/IVM: What was the last great film you viewed?
eternal sunshine for the spotless mind.
i know its older but i just watched it again the other night.
Brandon/IVM: How do you feel about Disneyland in your backyard? Ha.
overrated.
Brandon/IVM: Is it true they almost own an entire city in Orlando?
yep. and then some!
Brandon/IVM: Do you guys have side jobs when you're not on tour? If so,
where do you work and how is it?
i used to, but we tour way to much for any employer to give us a job. but the last job i held was substitute teacher for the polk county school system. my favorite was teaching 4th grade. old enough to spell their name, young enough where they haven’t hit puberty.
Brandon/IVM: Last great book you read? What are your favorite mags to read?
i read like i am about to go blind.
i am currently reading ‘knowledge of the holy’ by a.w. tozer. it is mind altering. he is my new blaise pascal.
11 minutes by Paulo Coelho (not for the faint hearted)
freakenomics- a economists perspective on sociology
and tipping point- marketing book
lovely bones* don't read it. its really boring. drags on forever.
that has all been on this past tour.
but it is either read or play video games. so obviously i am no good at halo.
Brandon/IVM: Do you read Relevant, what do you think of it? I love the mag,
they have some great articles and I am a proud subscriber.
i think its great. i called them when they came out with their first issue and said “its about time!”
Brandon/IVM: Do you ever read HM?
no.
Brandon/IVM: Dude, I am out of questions. Seriously, I have nothing left to
say and I'm staring at my ceiling right now drooling for some odd reason.
Uh. Yeah.
good because my fingers are plotting a mutiny that was so many questions. but its you brandon. so i’d do it again.
Brandon/IVM: Any parting words? Any prayer requests for us readers and fans
of your band. How can we best support you guys when you're out there working
hard? I'll be praying for you guys for sure. Anyway, take care and best of
luck to your future and all that God has in store for you guys. Peace.
i think i have said quite enough. maybe too much.
prayer requests.
direction. focus. that we may become men of integrity.
safety in our travels.
until we meet again,
stephen christian
Brandon, Indie Vision Music
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